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a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vote McCain

by Lakrosse, Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:51:02 AM EST

So I am a former Clinton supporter and I voted for her, proudly. I am sad and even angry that she lost, as I myself feel it was unfair at points.

But the contest is over, and Obama is the nominee. Some are threatening or even going to vote McCain. But if John McCain had had his way, Hillary would never have been running. If John McCain had had his way Bill Clinton would have been removed from office in January 1999 for committing adultery. Thank god John McCain didn't have his way. But considering that John McCain has such a record, why would any Hillary Clinton voters vote for such a man, who took part in the wholesale humiliation and attempted overthrowing of her husband? Hillary would have been a disgraced former First Lady if such a thing happened, which thank god the American people did not allow to happen. But this goes to serve that John McCain is no bipartisan maverick, in fact, he was part of the problem in the '90's and still is. He was and is part of the problem with the Clinton hating. I want this reminded to Clinton voters threatening to vote McCain, as surely this would be worse to the Clintons to allow McCain to be President than Obama.

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Rec'd. (1.50 / 14)

Chelsea is ugly and Cindy McCain is a cunt. -John McCain

(I wonder how long it will take for someone to defend McCain in this diary)

Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!

by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:55:17 AM EST

Re: Rec'd. (2.00 / 1)

Phoenixdreams, he's practically quoting McCain. Why HR him for that?

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:44:49 AM EST
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Re: Rec'd. (2.00 / 1)

Yep - That's what John McCain said.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:23:01 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (1.00 / 1)

Hillary Clinton has forged a pretty close relationship with John Mccain .

Both Clinton's have spoken very favorable of him .

If both Clinton's can get over it , maybe you should as well.

There are other issues you can go after him on , this is grasping at straws in my opinion because it doesn't conform with the reality of the situation between both actors..

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:56:29 AM EST

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That was fast.

Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!

by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:06:37 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (2.00 / 1)

I think somebody has a crush on McCain.

From another recent diary:

John Mccain does respect Hillary Rodham Clinton , she and Bill has made that much clear .

They are close friends and have high regard for each other , that should be obvious.

He is obviously working hard to woo her erstwhile supporters , I don't see what is wrong with that .

Obama would do the same if he were in his issues.

Whether it would work depends on the voters , we would know soon enough.

However she pretty much seems to have a closer personal relationship with Mccain than Obama.

by spunkmeyer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:13:20 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (none / 0)

Lori don't take the TR personally.

I like you but common that was totally lame.

I don't think Hillary would appreciate you internalizing her politics-as-usual campaign talk (THAT ALL CAMPAINGERS DO, calm down my hrc friends).

You think because she said a few dumb lines about liking McCain she meant it?

I don't believe any Democrat with a pulse has a soft spot for Republicans, ESPECIALLY the Clintons.

Lori I lova ya, but get a grip.
John McCain is a Republican, and that my last slam against him.
And here is a gift for your crush:

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35:40 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (2.00 / 3)

They're friends in a Senatorial sense, where virtually all the Senators are "friends" with one another.

But I don't think John McCain has any political respect for the Clintons. You don't vote to convict Bill Clinton in 1998 if you have respect for him.

As for Hillary, McCain allowed a questioner to call her "that bitch" and laughed along with it.

In fact, Hillary Clinton sounds like one of those "my friends" that McCain cites when he gets angry.

by elrod on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:28:34 AM EST
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Excuse me but.... (1.00 / 2)

how many times have Obama lovers all over the net referred to HRC as a BITCH?

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:47:38 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (none / 0)

Doesn't matter - in this case, the discussion is, 'Does Sen. McCain respect Sen. Clinton'. The fact he laughed, proves he doesn't. Saying 'well, some people on the nets call her that too' has nothing to do with this.

by NoBlinkers on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:31:03 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (none / 0)

I remember Clinton supporters loving "Bitch is the new black" here. Some folks were hawking t-shirts with that on it.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:24:17 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (1.00 / 2)

The Obama supporters from day one have done almost nothing except put Hillary down.Why, because she was in their Godhead's way. Now they expect us to follow the party line, no way. It's amazing how the Obama crowd can ignore all of this now.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35:53 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (2.00 / 1)

Hansomagant, I TR'd you for trolling.

You are posting stupid comments that have no relevance at all.

If you want to post random angry comments that go nowhere there a bunch of really crappy sites with the word Worldpress in their url that would love to have you.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:39:01 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (none / 0)

Do what you please. It doesn't make any difference now. It's over for us anyway.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:23:33 AM EST
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Re: Excuse me but.... (2.00 / 1)

Your not making sense,

who is "us".

All I said is you are posting random talking points that are months old and have nothing to do with any conversation going on.

Some would call that spamming.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:46:04 AM EST
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You're abusing the TR policy. (none / 0)

None of the TRs you're dispensing in this diary are violations of the TR policy.

by aggieric on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:26:43 AM EST
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Yes, for all McCain's talk about (2.00 / 5)

reaching across the aisle (which, admittedly, he's done), he's still a Republican through and through. He's opposed to nearly everything Hillary stands for.

Recommended for your admirable position on fighting McCain's candidacy.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:04:22 AM EST

Re: who would vote McCain (none / 0)

Good point, Lakrosse. I could still be angry about how John Edwards was treated, but that won't help now. On the war, energy, Supreme Court, etc., who is closer to our favored Democratic candidate....Obama or McCainus?

The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.

by CLLGADEM on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:08:49 AM EST

Voting for McCain (2.00 / 1)

sricki: reaching across the aisle (which, admittedly, he's done), he's still a Republican through and through.

Les: The GOP is not monolithic in their views of the issues. Many, if not most, Republicans differ with McCain on campaign finance reform, immigration, and global warming. On those issues is leans more to being Democrat-lite.

by LesGovt on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:57:10 AM EST

Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (none / 0)

If Obama wants unity put Hillary o the ticket. Otherwise he just told half the party screw you -I don't need your votes because I can get enough repugs and independents to overcome your deficit. This is strictly in Obama's hands.

Do you honestly think if Clinton were the nominee that these guys would be coming over to your side? With such a close race she would have had to put him on the ballot-as does he.

by Bornagaindem on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:06:40 AM EST

Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (none / 0)

No, I'm not so sure.

I'd have complained. I'd have screamed. I'd have vowed not to vote for her.

For about three months.

Then I would have remembered that by then I'd have had a friend in Iraq for at least two months, and more friends and family in the service. Then I'd have come to grips with her, and voted for her.

And I'd have hated myself for it, but I would have done it. The stakes are simply too high.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:46:56 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (2.00 / 1)

so if you gave yourself 3 months to have a fit, why push it for others?

by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:30:34 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton (none / 0)

I haven't said that folks aren't entitled to one. Don't put words into my mouth.

Also, in this hypothetical, I'm pretty sure that Hillary supporters would be saying to me some things pretty similar to what we've been saying.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:55:44 AM EST
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Well, (none / 0)

As a Clintonite 100% I can NEVER vote for McCain. But out of principle I encourage all Clinton supporters to either stay home (as I will) or write in her name or skip the top of the ballot. It is important this year to register our disgust with the media coverage. NEVER OBAMA-which is a vote for Cafferty, Russert, Olbermann, and Matthews.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:46:21 AM EST

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That's pretty idiotic. There are plenty of ways to punish those media outlets without punishing yourself or the rest of us.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:47:34 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

You can call it whatever you like but there will be a lot of Clinton supporters who feel the same way and will not budge. A vote for Obama would be saying we agree with the double standard, the loaded debate questions, the snide remarks from Olbermann and Matthews, the contempt of Andrew Sullivan and Peggy Noonan for anything Clinton, ie the entire media onslaught from day one.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:16:44 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

So you support Clinton, but don't support her issues, party, endorsement, etc.?

Makes a WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

by Reeves on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:24:32 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

It makes perfect sense to me. BTW the Obama people (Donna Brazile for instance) would be doing the same thing. If we cannot take a stand against the overwhelimingly sexist media bias now, then when can we?

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:32:49 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

Again, you're only hurting Hillary. You refuse to support her endorsement, her issues, or her party.

If Obama loses, her legacy and reputation will be stained forever, and she'd be toast for 2012.

Meanwhile, the country gets four more years of Bush.

The media? Same as they'll ever be. If you want to "take a stand" against the media, hit their advertisers. They don't give a rat's ass whether you vote Obama or not.

by Reeves on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:44:43 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

I'm NOT hurting Hillary at all. She's toast anyway. And what continues to gall me is this continued contempt that journalists have for her (almost all in the Obama camp) when the subject of the vice-presidency comes up on TV chat shows or in the print media. Their position is essentially that HRC will contaminate Obama, how dare anyone even suggest that she be on the ticket (even though it's as plain as the nose on their faces as to why). There has been no outreach to the HRC people in any form except the superficial. And you think we're going to sit by and let him put someone like Webb on the ticket while ignoring 18 million voters?--no way.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:53:21 AM EST
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It's funny. These journalists "in the Obama camp" were the same ones talking about "Bitter" and Rev. Wright incessantly, right?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Clinton isn't liked by a lot of journalists period, male and female. It was before Obama ever entered the race. It's a silly bias that's no different than the one they have for McCain. But your solution to this is to reward the candidate they truly prefer - McCain - by not voting against him.

Again, just brilliant. What "outreach" has to be done besides Obama praising Hillary, Hillary endorsing him, and them working together on the issues?

Obama can put whoever he wants on the ticket. He earned it by winning fair and square.

Since you hate Hillary, you don't care anyway.

by Reeves on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:59:28 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

What outreach has to be done--how about the second spot? And you don't have to question my intelligence. There are millions of us who feel the same way and there are millions of O supporters who would be doing the same thing. I am NOT endorsing McCain, just not voting for Obama. Hate Hillary? It's a shame that she had to debase herself in front of the Obama crowd in the first place and grovel at his feet. You know, the same people who referred to her as a racist, as Annie Oakley, as someone who's "entitled" etc., who deliberately distorted the words of her and her husband. Why should McCain even bother you? After all, Obama's (the least experienced major party nominee in 100 years)the one who told us that the Republicans were the party of ideas in the 90's--remember?

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:17:54 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

Like I said...you hate Hillary. Now that she's not running against Obama, you don't care about her, her legacy, her issues,...any of that.

Calling her move for unity "groveling"? Only a Hillary hater would say that.

Cool. I won't bother with you anymore. Another Republican troll.

by Reeves on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:22:18 AM EST
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Re: Well, (none / 0)

Don't bother with me anymore, who cares. And I've wanted HRC to be president more than anything else I've ever wanted in my long life.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:30:39 AM EST
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Well, you'll have to accept the fact that it's not happening this time, and that she lost fairly.

My candidates, as a rule, never make it through the primary season. I'm used to it. You have my sympathy in that respect.

So, was it Hillary the person that mattered, no matter what it was she planned to do as President?

Or was it what she planned to do?

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:54:33 AM EST
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It was both. And the process was not fair at all. Look at the way delegates were apportioned in several states (Texas and PA) for example.

by handsomegent on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:22:12 AM EST
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Bullshit. You can't claim the rules aren't fair after the game began.

If you don't like the rules, either fight to change them before or don't play.

Hillary knew the rules. She knew how delegates were apportioned. She knew about the caucus system.

I guarantee you weren't complaining about the delegate system in TX or PA last year or ever. Hell, this is the first I've even heard of anyone complaining about the PA system.

by PSUdan on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:32:34 AM EST
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That is precisely what the problem is: (none / 0)

"I've wanted HRC to be president more than anything else I've ever wanted in my long life."

All other considerations are secondary to you:

The soldiers and Iraqis dying in Iraq.

The Americans suffering from low wages, high prices and lack of health care in the US.

The continuing degradation of the global environment.

Even reproductive freedom.

You'll consign soldiers, Iraqis, Americans and Women's right to choose to the Bush/McCain trash heap; simply because your candidate lost.

by xynz on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:55:40 PM EST
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If Obama were in the Senate at the time (1.00 / 0)

he probably would have voted along with McCain, Leiberman. Or he would have been absent.

by catfish2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:47:18 AM EST

Re: If Obama were in the Senate at the time (1.00 / 1)

So creative...Why not take it to the next level and make yourself absent from here? That'd be really funny.

by Reeves on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:49:48 AM EST
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Counterfactuals are fun (1.00 / 1)

If catfish2 wasn't posting on the internet s/he'd probably be out kicking babies down the stairs.

by JJE on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:57:33 AM EST
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Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (none / 0)

4412 dead troops in Iraq so far. How many more with a McCain presidency?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:25:50 AM EST

Re: a reminder for Clinton supporters who would vo (none / 0)

How many people will come home with traumatic brain injuries, with limbs missing?

Elections are not about you and your hurt feelings or even about whether you thought media coverage was unfair.

It's about life and death and health and illness and who has what chances to live and prosper.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:27:01 AM EST
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