Has Russia really invaded Georgia proper?

(crossposted at Dailykos)
In my previous diary on this topic, I examined the background to the South Ossetian war. Today, I try to examine the current situation in the war.

Yesterday, most of us probably heard the news that Russia had taken  the city of Gori, only 40 miles or so from Tbilisi.

Below is a typical selection of comments from Georgian officials:

"Russian forces are occupying Gori. Georgian armed forces received an order to leave Gori and to fortify positions near Mtskheta to defend the capital. This is a total onslaught," Mr Lomaia [secretary of the Georgian Security Council] said.

President Saakashvili told Georgians in a televised address that Russia was attempting to occupy the whole country. He said: "This provocation was aimed at occupying South Ossetia, Abkhazia and then all of Georgia."

- The UK Times Online

Russia for the most part did not comment specifically on this, and most of us probably took that as confirmation.

The Kremlin declined to say whether its troops had entered Georgia proper but said all its actions were intended to strike at Georgian military forces that had fired on its peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia.

A senior Russian military official, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said early Sunday that Russia did not intend to "break into" Georgian territory.


- the International Herald Tribune

Today, however, it seems that those statements could have been an exaggeration:

Lomaia has since claimed that Russian forces have "captured" the city. However a Reuters reporter in Gori said: "We are right now driving through the town and I see no trace of troops or military vehicles. It is absolutely deserted."

- the UK Telegraph

More significant are the comments by US defence officials reported by the AFP (highlighting is mine):

Georgian officials said Russian troops had moved out of South Ossetia into Georgia proper, occupying the city of Gori while Georgian troops were retreating to the capital.

But US defense officials said they were unable to corroborate the Georgian claims.

"We don't see anything that supports they are in Gori," said a defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "I don't know why the Georgians are saying that."


Considering how many satellites our tax dollars have paid for, I think our Defense department would know if Russian troops were truly moving into Gori.

Russia has indeed taken the town of Senaki, in western Georgia proper, but that looks to be more like a raid to destroy the Georgian base than any full-fledged invasion.

So the real question is why this disconnect between Georgian words and fact has occurred. One possibility is that this is simply the result of a massive communications breakdown in Georgia - with important infrastructure such as radar and airports destroyed by Russian bombing, people are unable to determine the actual situation, and panicked rumours can spread quickly, causing an army to flee from an illusionary foe. A prime example of this occurred at The Battle of Karansebes, more than 200 years ago, where an Austrian army panicked from a nonexistent Ottoman attack and ended up destroying itself. Western news agencies have certainly reported fleeing Georgian soldiers - its only the Russian advances that they are unable to confirm. Russia has also showed an aptitute in cyberwarfare (one of its first demonstrated uses occurred against Estonia last year), and appears to have used it effectively in this conflict, a fact which may also have contributed to a total breakdown in Georgian communications. In a way, the Russian advance seems to be a modern version of Blitzkrieg, working to paralyze the Georgian command structure and impede communications.

The other possibility is simply that Georgia is trying to make its situation look as terrible as possible in an attempt to win the support of the West. If that's the case, they seemed to have fooled the not-so-honorable Senator from Arizona, but little else.



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Tips for peace (none / 0)


John McCain
by MILiberal on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:44:18 PM EST

We no longer have moral Authority (none / 0)

The doctrine of preemptive war for regime change is the current foreign policy of the United States. Someone else will have to lead.  


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:59:46 PM EST
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Re: Has Russia really invaded Georgia proper? (none / 0)

I believe it. This entire mess is completely FUBAR because of that government's insane decision to shell its own town. Even the USA knows better than to poke a finger in the side of Russia! What made them think we were up to saving their ass? Or that it would actually work?

See, this is what Bush's legacy in the world has become.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 11:54:45 PM EST

I don't know what to believe (none / 0)

After what Putin's done in Chechnya, I have no illusions that he's capable of massive deception in pursuit of ruso-centric goals.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:35:15 AM EST

How dare they (none / 0)

...steal our strategy!  I am outraged!


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 10:15:41 AM EST
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I'm afraid they're better than us (none / 0)

Putin would have never have bungled things so badly.  Our strategies don't cut it in Putin's class, even when we're trying to be evil.  


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 10:26:09 AM EST
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Re: Has Russia really invaded Georgia proper? (none / 0)

Georgia PROPER?  What does that mean?

Does that mean that Mohamed Attah and his gang did not attack "America Proper" since they only hit a couple of buildings on the coast?

Or Japan did not attack America Proper when they bombed Pearl Harbor in a US Territory, not yet a state?

Wow.


by wblynch on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:51:32 PM EST

Re: Has Russia really invaded Georgia proper? (none / 0)

I do think it's hilarious that Russia made a point of blowing up George W. Bush Avenue which leads to the airport.


by wblynch on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 04:54:52 PM EST

Re: Has Russia really invaded Georgia proper? (none / 0)

Seriously, they blew up G. W. Bush ave. That is funny-- the rest of this conflict isn't but that is.


by del on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:02:59 PM EST
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